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Today: Two real-world gun safety issues we as professionals and novice alike can learn from. One happened to me at the range (irony I know), and one with Massad Ayoob, one of the greatest instructors still alive.
Mine went well, Massad’s not as well. No one got hurt on either but Massad did have an ND (Negligent Discharge) where no one was hurt and there was no property damage. If it can happen to him it can happen to any of us.
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Outline:
2 Real World Incidents Just Happened
Massad Ayoob MAG40 ND (Negligent Discharge)
- What Happened
- From 3 people that where there:
- My Take on things we can learn
- You see what you want to see
- Up is not always a safe direction (rarely so)
Rule #4 (Know your target and what lies beyond) at the range
- At Lonestar Handgun in San Antonio
- Private area of the range
- Filling Magazines
- Rattle Snake ended up between me and her and I’m facing up range
- Didn’t fare because I didn’t have a safe backstop
- Notified range staff and they got him with a shotgun
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Stay Safe,
Ben
about your comment about expect what you don’t want. I have heard the opposite, the idea being if you are looking for brass (when checking if its empty) if you see it you mind just says looks good and continues. where if you are looking for empty and see brass your mind should say something isn’t right. what are your thoughts?
It’s been my experience that people see what they expect to see. So if you think the gun is empty and you do a chamber check sometimes you look but don’t see and your mind fills in what you expect. So if I want a cleared gun, I am looking and trying to find live ammo that shouldn’t be there. Does that make more sense?
Ben, Thanks for the podcast, but I want to question your comment that you will be pushing the ejector rod on pistols 3 times to be sure that the cylinder is empty. As I understand it, on revolvers, if the casing slips by the ejector it is unlikely that the cycling of the ejector rod will get under the casing’s rim and push the casing out. I think a better way might be to point the muzzle up while working the ejector rod and then looking and ‘feeling’ the empty holes in the cylinder.
Keep up with the podcasts and I hope to train with you again in the future.
Chris (Dallas)
I love the idea about feeling for the holes. I’ll start using that right away because I do a physical check of my autos, why not the revolver.
As for your other part… Truth is I’m not sure. I know a case can get stuck behind the ejector star, but will the cylinder close if it does? On some revolvers? On every revolver? Definitely something to think about and something we all need a better standard for after this oops.
Right now, I’ll dump the brass, press the rod 3 times, look, and now feel the cylinder holes. I’m always looking for a better way.