The Kyle Rittenhouse Shooting: Murder, Victim, or Self-Defense Podcast 308

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What we can learn from the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha.

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Kyle Rittenhouse is a divisive figure in the world.  And will continue to be.

But what can we learn from the shooting?  Tactically, how did he do?  Legally, is there anything we could do better?

We need to analyze these incidents as learning tools so that you don’t end up in the same spot.

You may think Kyle did a good job during the shooting, but he is still in jail right now.  And probably will be there for a long time.  The trial could take years and they probably aren’t going to let him out on bail because of the politics around the shooting.

It looks like they will try him as an adult for murder.  He will be sweating his life and freedom for years.  He may end up like Jorge Zimmerman and will forever be on the run from people that want to kill him because of the incident.  And one of those people may succeed and get him in the end.

How can we avoid this?  Was it a good idea for him to kit up and go out?

More importantly, learn from him when you think about kitting up and going out.  I’m not saying you should, or should not go.  I’m saying that you should know all the risks involved and understand what could happen. 

We also go through both shootings and the tactics there.  How could have Kyle avoided both shootings all together?  Is there something he could have done better once the shooting started?

All questions to answer and know before you decide to go or not go.

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Kyle Rittenhouse Shooting; Murderer, Victim, or Defender? 

Kit up and go fight? 

Look at it tactically and legally 

Tactics 

• Avoidance 
• Stupid places at stupid times with stupid people doing stupid things. 
• Awareness on point once the fighting started
• De-Escalation
• Escape

Timeline of  each choice 

• Decided to kit up and show up 
• Borrowed a rifle 
• Training he had 
• Equipment (beans, bullets, badges, bad guys, batteries) 
• Before the shootings 
  • Emotionally involved 
  • Yelling at someone that is yelling at you 
  • Pissing contest 
  • Arguing with stupid: don’t argue with a stupid person, they will bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience. 
• Shooting incident 1 
  • separated from the group 
  • Running 
  • Things were thrown at him 
  • Shots fired can’t see everything 
  • Phone call 
  • Running away 
• Shooting 2 
  • Running again with gear on 
  • Falling 
  • People on top of him 
    • Field goal kicker 
    • Skateboard guy 
    • Shooter 
  • stopping power of 556 round 
  • Moving away 
  • Police interaction  
• Aftermath
  • The rifle is where? 
  • Go home 
  • Calls local police and turns himself in 
  • Talk with a lawyer?

Legally 

• Borrowing/loaning a rifle for self-defense 
• Possession and supplying a rifle to a minor 
• Being in a large group of armed men to protect property 
• Stand your ground 
• Murder vs homicide
• Murder 1, 2, and 3 and manslaughter  
• Shooting 1 
  • Not enough video to tell for sure 
  • Item threw at him 
  • The mob itself; ability, opportunity, jeopardy 
  • Innocent people don’t run
  • Multiple incidents
• shooting 2
  • Self-defense unless he says something stupid 
  • Mob running after him this time yelling get his ass and other things 
  • Falls down disparity of force 
  • Kick to the head while on the ground 
  • Skateboard to the head 
  • Gun pointed from someone yelling get him 
• Disengaged for next event 
• Police interaction 
  • Need help
  • Maybe don’t let them tell you no 
  • Rifle still visible 

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Stay Safe,

Ben

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