Podcast 215 Dealing with Cops

By on December 14, 2017

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Today:  There are countless articles about how to handle yourself during a traffic stop when you are carrying a gun legally… 90% of them are junk.  This podcast will give you a new way to look at your interaction with a police officer so you don’t get killed by mistake.  Take a look at what you are doing.

Like most things in self defense, if you plan ahead a little by thinking about what you are going to do, there won’t be a problem.

The secret to learning how to deal with a cop during a traffic stop is to think like a cop.  We get into how cops think, why they do what they do on traffic stops, why they might not be officer friendly at first, and what you can do to help your situation.

With a couple tips thrown in on how to get out of a ticket.


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The Caliber of the Episode: .215 better known as the 5.45×39

  • Developed by Russia in the 1970’s to be faster and lighter
  • Deployed in 1974 for the AK-74
  • West Germany and other Western Europian nations didn’t want to call it the 5.45×39 because that’s what the eastern block called it, so it was called .215
  • The name went away in the 90’s
  • ATF ruling in 2014
  • Review asked by Border Patrol

Think like a Cop to know how to work with one

  • Top things that cops get killed doing or injured; traffic stops and domestic violence calls
  • They are looking for bad guys
    • Not to be just ready, they are actively searching for bad guys to pull over and arrest
    • 3 Strikers
    • They have no idea who they are dealing with in the stop
  • They assume you are going to try and hurt them, that’s how they stay on top of the situation if it goes bad
  • Who knows what happened yesterday or at the last stop for this cop or his/her friends
  • They have studied a bunch of shooting and cop murders that started at a traffic stop
  • Older cops where taught only bad guys and cops carry guns… if you aren’t a cop and have a gun…

Don’t do Anything that would push you into a bad guy look

  • Friend at the police academy go pulled over and put his hands on the roof of the car as the cops where coming up
  • Nothing unusual; if you are carrying a gun you have enough to deal with that is out of the ordinary

Do’s and Don’t’s

  • Do put on your blinker and slow down once you know you are getting pulled over
  • Don’t start driving crazy and staring at the cop in the mirror, you look like you can’t drive or are ready to flee
  • Do pull over in a place that is out of traffic and will be safe for you and the police officer, even if you have to go through the construction zone to get to an exit or where there is a shoulder to pull out of traffic
  • Don’t block traffic unless told to do so
  • Do put the vehicle in park, roll down your window, and put your hands on the steering wheel and wait
  • Don’t be fishing for things inside the car while the cop is walking up
  • Do be nice to the cop
  • Don’t have an attitude
  • Do have the car off
  • Don’t be trying to get stuff for the officer (Philando Castile MN, Eric Scott Las Vegas)
  • Do let the cop know that you have a gun
  • Don’t let the cop find it on his own, or make him/her ask
  • Do follow the cop’s instructions
  • Don’t say I can’t
  • Do talk through what you are doing as you are doing it
  • Don’t sound like a robot or try to sound like a cop
  • Do answer the cop’s questions
  • Don’t get an attitude and think you are a YouTube lawyer; Yes it’s your right to not talk to the police about simple questions about where you are going or where you are coming from, but that makes you look guilty
  • Do allow the officer to disarm you if he wants
  • Don’t touch your gun… ever (never say never)
  • Do have a conversation with the cop
  • Don’t be mean, yes there are murders to find but car accidents kill far more people then murders do every year… yes he/she is doing their job
  • Do thank him/her for what they do, even if you get a ticket
  • Don’t be mad at the cop if you got a ticket (even if you didn’t disserve it.. there was a time that you did disserve a ticket)
  • Do sign the ticket
  • Don’t argue with the officer (clarifying questions are good, but “I didn’t do it!” without questions is never going to work. Fight things in court)

Follow the cops instructions and do what he is telling you



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  1. elquesnell
    December 15, 2017

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    great show “how to deal with cops” and I have a natural proclivity to agree with almost everything you said, as I think I see cops as people too. However, I am curious if you have ever listened to The Rule of Law podcast. Because , let’s face it, not everyone in the judicial system is altruistic.

    • Ben Branam
      December 15, 2017

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      I haven’t listened to that one. I’ll have to put it on my list.

      I know not everyone is altruistic in the system, and that’s why I couldn’t be a cop, even though I wanted to. But everyone that is in the system wants to believe they are good people and altruistic.

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